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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the Practice Not the Theory that Counts by Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jackie - think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head that it&#039;s the practice that counts. 

I know from experience that it is very easy to espouse what to do in fundraising, but it is much harder to do it in practice.  Sometimes I find myself doing something which I know isn&#039;t ideal but is the best that can be done with the time/resources available.

I&#039;ve met a lot of fundraisers who hate picking up the phone, talking to donors and even asking for money and agree that investment in soft skills is key.  

In many ways the theory is the easy part of fundraising, but looking someone in the eye and asking for a donation is something that most fundraisers could do with some help with!

As you say, I hope the IoF will address some of this in their training programmes...

Thanks

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jackie &#8211; think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head that it&#8217;s the practice that counts. </p>
<p>I know from experience that it is very easy to espouse what to do in fundraising, but it is much harder to do it in practice.  Sometimes I find myself doing something which I know isn&#8217;t ideal but is the best that can be done with the time/resources available.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met a lot of fundraisers who hate picking up the phone, talking to donors and even asking for money and agree that investment in soft skills is key.  </p>
<p>In many ways the theory is the easy part of fundraising, but looking someone in the eye and asking for a donation is something that most fundraisers could do with some help with!</p>
<p>As you say, I hope the IoF will address some of this in their training programmes&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the Practice Not the Theory that Counts by Rachel Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/?p=73&#038;cpage=1#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed again. There seems to be a misconception that that&#039;s all it takes, but - as I know you know well - the chances of success drastically improve if you invest in building your relationships with prospective funders.

Not sure if you caught the latest episode of KnowHow NonProfit&#039;s Milcaster Tales - and the responses, including one from me - that explores this? http://www.knowhownonprofit.org/millcaster/animated-millcaster/contract-what-contract-part-two-the-video</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed again. There seems to be a misconception that that&#8217;s all it takes, but &#8211; as I know you know well &#8211; the chances of success drastically improve if you invest in building your relationships with prospective funders.</p>
<p>Not sure if you caught the latest episode of KnowHow NonProfit&#8217;s Milcaster Tales &#8211; and the responses, including one from me &#8211; that explores this? <a href="http://www.knowhownonprofit.org/millcaster/animated-millcaster/contract-what-contract-part-two-the-video" rel="nofollow">http://www.knowhownonprofit.org/millcaster/animated-millcaster/contract-what-contract-part-two-the-video</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the Practice Not the Theory that Counts by Jackie Mendoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie Mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for your comments Rachel. Really good to have the direct marketing perspective. I think the same can sometimes be said about trust fundraising as there is often the temptation to hide behind a written bid which can get bogged down in organisation speak and jargon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for your comments Rachel. Really good to have the direct marketing perspective. I think the same can sometimes be said about trust fundraising as there is often the temptation to hide behind a written bid which can get bogged down in organisation speak and jargon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s the Practice Not the Theory that Counts by Rachel Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/?p=73&#038;cpage=1#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Jackie and thanks for linking to Simon&#039;s post on the beautiful world blog.

Everything you say strikes a chord with me.  I&#039;ve often thought that many &#039;Direct Marketing fundraisers&#039;, those that look after the large mailing, doordrop and insert programmes, and seldom get to look a &#039;real donor&#039; in the eye, could learn an awful lot from Major Donor and Corporate fundraisers, who do exactly that on a regular basis, and have to make the ask for extremely large sums of money in person.

Sometimes I think it must be all too easy to forget - even, as you say, when people know the theory - that there is a real person on the receiving end of that letter or email that needs to receive a clear, emotive, well-argued and persuasive request to give.  The result is too many mailings that look like they&#039;ve been produced by a publishing house, with messaging that&#039;s heavily compromised through a lengthy internal approvals process by people that never have had to make an ask for funds and don&#039;t know what makes an ask work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Jackie and thanks for linking to Simon&#8217;s post on the beautiful world blog.</p>
<p>Everything you say strikes a chord with me.  I&#8217;ve often thought that many &#8216;Direct Marketing fundraisers&#8217;, those that look after the large mailing, doordrop and insert programmes, and seldom get to look a &#8216;real donor&#8217; in the eye, could learn an awful lot from Major Donor and Corporate fundraisers, who do exactly that on a regular basis, and have to make the ask for extremely large sums of money in person.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think it must be all too easy to forget &#8211; even, as you say, when people know the theory &#8211; that there is a real person on the receiving end of that letter or email that needs to receive a clear, emotive, well-argued and persuasive request to give.  The result is too many mailings that look like they&#8217;ve been produced by a publishing house, with messaging that&#8217;s heavily compromised through a lengthy internal approvals process by people that never have had to make an ask for funds and don&#8217;t know what makes an ask work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why lumping me together with the rest of a database is a bad idea by Toni Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/?p=55&#038;cpage=1#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Aren&#8217;t There More Fundraisers &amp; Marketers in the Top Job? by Imperfect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imperfect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Imogen, and I absolutely agree with what you say re assumptions. Given that it often falls to fundraisers to &quot;package&quot; projects from various parts of the organisation in order to make them more engaging to funders and that we often have to act as account managers once funding is secured, the assumption that we wouldn&#039;t be able to deal with organisational complexity is indeed odd. And yes, the US is very much leading the field as always. 

Thanks too for mentioning Lyndall - I&#039;d love to meet her one of these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Imogen, and I absolutely agree with what you say re assumptions. Given that it often falls to fundraisers to &#8220;package&#8221; projects from various parts of the organisation in order to make them more engaging to funders and that we often have to act as account managers once funding is secured, the assumption that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to deal with organisational complexity is indeed odd. And yes, the US is very much leading the field as always. </p>
<p>Thanks too for mentioning Lyndall &#8211; I&#8217;d love to meet her one of these days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Aren&#8217;t There More Fundraisers &amp; Marketers in the Top Job? by Imogen Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/?p=50&#038;cpage=1#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>Imogen Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful piece. It&#039;s slowly changing but my sense is that there is still a culture out there of assuming that Fundraisers wouldn&#039;t cut it leading an organisation with all the complexities it entails. Basically there is a snobbery about a fundraiser pitching for the top job, as opposed to say someone who has a programme or policy background.  Compare this with US charities who often insist that the ED or CE has some form of fundraising pedigree! 

Btw, you have omitted the wonderful Lyndall Stein from your examples! Lyndall was Fundraising Director at Action Aid before becoming CE of Concern UK. She was recently interim CE of the Resource Alliance as well. So there are a few more examples out there, but sadly not enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful piece. It&#8217;s slowly changing but my sense is that there is still a culture out there of assuming that Fundraisers wouldn&#8217;t cut it leading an organisation with all the complexities it entails. Basically there is a snobbery about a fundraiser pitching for the top job, as opposed to say someone who has a programme or policy background.  Compare this with US charities who often insist that the ED or CE has some form of fundraising pedigree! </p>
<p>Btw, you have omitted the wonderful Lyndall Stein from your examples! Lyndall was Fundraising Director at Action Aid before becoming CE of Concern UK. She was recently interim CE of the Resource Alliance as well. So there are a few more examples out there, but sadly not enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Treat me like an individual not a donor number! by Michael Hodgson</title>
		<link>http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/?p=29&#038;cpage=1#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hodgson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t help but wonder if the organisation is one of the ones I know and love.

I think some organisations - and even some that you don&#039;t expect it of, freak out about costs, and don&#039;t spend when they should.  That means you end up with archaic systems, that don&#039;t make it easy, or even possible to do something that should be easy.

And if some just spent the money, and time, on a decent system, they could send e-newsletters to those that wanted them, as often or not as they wanted them, with articles more likely to appeal to the person reading them.

or they could worry about the ratio.

(Some of course, at the moment, are simply worried about their survival until the end of the year), which is why charities need to invest when they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t help but wonder if the organisation is one of the ones I know and love.</p>
<p>I think some organisations &#8211; and even some that you don&#8217;t expect it of, freak out about costs, and don&#8217;t spend when they should.  That means you end up with archaic systems, that don&#8217;t make it easy, or even possible to do something that should be easy.</p>
<p>And if some just spent the money, and time, on a decent system, they could send e-newsletters to those that wanted them, as often or not as they wanted them, with articles more likely to appeal to the person reading them.</p>
<p>or they could worry about the ratio.</p>
<p>(Some of course, at the moment, are simply worried about their survival until the end of the year), which is why charities need to invest when they can.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Beauty of Starting at Zero by Imperfect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imperfect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to comment, Adrian, much appreciated. I totally agree with what you say - it takes time and commitment to engage with a cause which is why  we in turn need to thank and engage back with care and attention rather than make the supporter feel like just another donor number on the database. That care and attention is very apparent at the early stages (at &quot;zero&quot;) but can often get lost once an organisation, its supporters and fundraising function grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment, Adrian, much appreciated. I totally agree with what you say &#8211; it takes time and commitment to engage with a cause which is why  we in turn need to thank and engage back with care and attention rather than make the supporter feel like just another donor number on the database. That care and attention is very apparent at the early stages (at &#8220;zero&#8221;) but can often get lost once an organisation, its supporters and fundraising function grow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Beauty of Starting at Zero by Adrian Salmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree with you. And I also agree with what you say about &#039;apathy fundraising&#039; too! The fact is that anyone who makes any kind of donation at all is showing a level of care and engagement that the majority of us don&#039;t make half the time. As a fundraiser, I know the care and attention that goes into appeals (well, most of the time :) ) and yet - I still don&#039;t click &#039;donate&#039; or send in a completed DD form as many times as I should - given my avowed concerns.
And the reason - most of the time I don&#039;t care quite enough. Nothing else really, despite how I may dress it up!

So for those who do care enough to do, and give, as well as say - we should be prepared to go the extra mile too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree with you. And I also agree with what you say about &#8216;apathy fundraising&#8217; too! The fact is that anyone who makes any kind of donation at all is showing a level of care and engagement that the majority of us don&#8217;t make half the time. As a fundraiser, I know the care and attention that goes into appeals (well, most of the time <img src='http://www.causeperfect.com/BLOG/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) and yet &#8211; I still don&#8217;t click &#8216;donate&#8217; or send in a completed DD form as many times as I should &#8211; given my avowed concerns.<br />
And the reason &#8211; most of the time I don&#8217;t care quite enough. Nothing else really, despite how I may dress it up!</p>
<p>So for those who do care enough to do, and give, as well as say &#8211; we should be prepared to go the extra mile too.</p>
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